My Angelfish fry are dying. What can I do?
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THINK ABOUT YOUR CHEMISTRY, BIOLOGY, AND ENVIRONMENT: sanitation for bugs, avoiding poisons, the right temperature and right food.
Lets eliminate the food problem first. If you feed your new swimmers newly-hatched baby brine at least once every 12 hours, and everything else is right, you'll raise 50 to 500. In my experience, no other food will allow you to raise more than five or ten. Discard brine shrimp cultures infected with bacteria (cloudy and smelly), or in any case after 36 hours, when they have very little food value. See our section on brine shrimp culture for more details on this.
Do you have slimy tank walls, scum on the surface, or cloudy water? You may have bacteria infections. Use a large magnifying glass and a strong light to examine the eggs. (If you use a spawning slate, move it close to the tank wall.) I have seen tiny white worms attacking the eggs.
To treat for bacteria, tiny worms, and other microbes, I removed the pair from the breeding tank and put them in a bucket containing fresh city water, which contains Chloramine here in the US. If you don't have Chlorine in your water, put in a few drops of chlorine laundry bleach. I also add table salt (which contains a little Iodine), about 1 tablespoon per gallon (or 5cc per liter.) This mildly toxic bath should kill some microbes. Hopefully, it won't stress your adults too much, for an hour or so. Avoid thermal shock. Watch them carefully! If you're worried about harming your breeders, test the treatment bath for an hour using a small weak fish first.
While the pair is in the treatment bath, clean the tank and all accessories (heaters, tubing, thermometers, sponge filter, nets, walls, floors, etc.) Use dilute bleach first, and dry the tank. Then use plain ammonia, rinse the tank thoroughly 3 or 5 times, and dry it. Smell it to make sure all the ammonia is gone. (Do NOT allow bleach and ammonia to mix -- don't even open the bottles at the same time!) Fill the tank with good clean, treated water. Transfer the pair to the clean tank using the clean net.
Temperatures are very important. It is best to keep breeding tanks at 83-87F (28-30C). Many parasites and diseases will not survive temperatures of 93-97F (34-36C). I think over 98.6F (37C)... perhaps short treatments at 102F (39C) for a few hours might kill bad bugs, but I'm only guessing. At 106F (41C) I'd expect permanent brain damage. See more at our section on temperatures.
Water quality is critical. In the US, many breeders had problems when all city water suppliers switched from Chlorine to Chloramines. Simple aging for a few hours removed chlorine, or a treatment with sodium thiosulphate. Thiosulphate is harmless to fish at the levels we use, and will neutralize Chlorine and the Chlorine part of the Chloramine molecule, but leaves the Ammonia compounds, not good for fish. Many of us now use activated carbon filter cartridges, either on city water or well water, to remove Chloramine and other toxic substances. Aquarium shops sell chemicals to remove Chloramine -- "AmQuel" is good, but expensive if you have many tanks... and none of these will remove harmful organic contaminants like Carbon will.
A trick one breeder used, is to simply dip the slate and eggs in a disinfectant bath for a few seconds. He used Iodine, but a very weak bleach solution should work as well. Follow this with a dip in water dosed with Amquel or Thiosulphate to neutralize the Chloride and/or Iodide, and from there to a clean fry tank.
Other breeders have used strong medicines on the parents -- organophosphates (as in "Clout" and "Fluke Tabs") -- thinking that the problem was some kind of parasite. They could be right, but perhaps they were just killing off bacteria and other microbes. I prefer to try milder treatments first. Most medications weaken already stressed fish, and do more harm than good. See our section on sick fish here.
Other sources of poisoning for fish: household sprays, or oils and chemicals from your hands. I scrub my hands and arms with warm water and hand brush or cloth, and dry them with a fresh bath towel before dipping into the tanks.
Another source of poison is vinyl air tubing... I've killed off a half a tank of young fish three times, with long runs of new vinyl air tubing. Now I boil this stuff in the microwave for 10 minutes to reduce the smelly chemicals used to make this rigid plastic pliable. This may or may not help... keep your lengths short, or avoid the problem altogether by using only green silicone rubber tubing.
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Topic: Angelfish fry dying...
Author: Bill Dawes
Email: frydying@websvirginia.com
Date: 8/28/99
Time: 9:35:18 PM
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Have you had Angelfish fry that all died with no apparent reason in the first 3-4 days? Did you solve the problem? Please add your questions or experiences here!
Thanks...
Topic: Hatching those bloody eggs!
Author: Paolo Lattuca
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I've been breeding angels and other "soft water" fish for more than 3 years. At first I was fortunate enough to live in an area where the well water was relatively soft [KH: 4dh; GH: 5dh]. I never experienced any problems as far as hatching those little wiggly things was concerned. I, however, was forced to relocate(tanks and all) and found that the city water, although adequately kept my adult angels, proved hopelessly too hard for breeding purposes and constantly foiled all attempts at hatching the little jobs.
I tried everything from "ph-down" treatments to using water softening pillows. Nothing seemed to work. I then decide on one last try: Peat-moss filter media. Hey presto it worked. The trick is to filter the water thru' the peat for approx. 2-3 weeks, as the peat breaks down, i.e. rots it begins to releases hummic acid into the water which eventually over-powers all those "treacherous" hard water makers! It's important to then filter the treated water thru' a zeolite and carbon media filter to remove any nasties that may kill the fry before using the water. Good luck to all who thought that their water chemistry would prohibit successfully breeding the critters.
Thanks for the tip, Paolo!
Some breeders who have very hard water report that grownups can survive dH of 200 and pH of 8.5. Two I know use R/O purifiers (costly, waste a lot of water) for fresh spawns and fry for the first month. Distilled water could work fine if you are a very small operation. Just be sure to do gradual changes over 24 hours when changing conditions!
WATER SOFTENERS, ION-EXCHANGE CARTRIDGES
I wonder about a water softener, which exchanges harmless NaCl (table salt) for the harmful Ca and Mg salts. Ion-exchange resin cartridge filters would also work very well, and would not add NaCl. Angels survive 500-600ppm NaCl with no problems; some add it intentionally.) I recommend setting up a pair, and a way to test for exhausted cartridges... see bio-assay below.CARBON FILTERS
Carbon filtration is great for removing Chloramines, and ANY organic toxins. In my 10-tank operation, I use a counter-top model, nice because I can adjust the water temperature going in. In a larger setup, I would use a pair of in-line carbon filters.BIO-ASSAY
The labels on cartridge filters say, 'change every six months'. That is DUMB. It's the volume of pollutants removed, and nothing else. The ideal way to deal with it is to pipe in a pair of cartridges, with a way to sample the water between them, and test the water at this point.I hate ALL test kits, don't believe then, don't trust them. I use bio-assay, which like the canary in the mine, tests for EVERYTHING. For big volume operations, I would periodically, take water from BETWEEN the oldest and newest filter, and do a 100% water change on a small tank with a few culled fish, deformed ones that can't be sold. If the culls survive for a few hours, the water is good; if not, replace the first filter with the second and put a new one in the first position.
In my small 10-tank operation, with my counter-top Carbon filter -- I do my daily 25% water change in the one tank that has the LEAST precious fish in it, wait an hour, then do the rest.
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Topic: angelfish fry aare dying
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what are the reasons why my fry will die in 5-6 days after hatched.
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